GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

Postby Sam Varghese » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:08 pm

The next major version of the GNOME desktop environment, version 3.0, may contain more than the one Mono-dependent application than it currently does, according to GNOME Foundation member Dave Neary.
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In response to a query as to what extent Mono-dependent applications would be present in GNOME 3.0, which is planned as a major overhaul of the desktop environment, Neary said: "The only Mono app which is already part of the GNOME desktop release set is Tomboy. There are other popular Mono applications among GNOME users, including F-Spot, Banshee and GNOME Do, but for the moment, Tomboy is the only one which has been included in a release set. Between now and GNOME 3.0, however, that may change."

Mono is an attempt to create an open source clone of Microsoft's .NET development environment; the project was begun some years by current Novell vice-president Miguel de Icaza who claims this will pull Windows developers over to GNU/Linux.

Icaza's efforts have come in for a great deal of criticism due to the fear that Mono may cause patent problems down the track and may have to be jettisoned from GNU/Linux altogether; the most recent high-profile figure to voice his objections was the Free Software Foundation founder Richard M. Stallman.

Red Hat's community Linux distribution, Fedora, recently decided to throw out Mono altogether from its default install, and replaced Tomboy with Gnote, a recently created port of Tomboy.

Explaining why GNOME may include more Mono-dependent applications, Neary said: "There is a module proposal period which precedes each release, and the module proposal period for GNOME 2.28 is currently ongoing. There will be another module proposal period for 2.30 (which is likely to be GNOME 3.0). It is possible we'll defer 3.0 until 2.32, if there are issues which would jeopardise the stability and quality of the release, in which case there would be another module proposal period for that release also before the 3.0 release.

"I'm afraid I am not in a position to pre-empt the module addition proposals which will be made between now & then, or the decision which the GNOME community (through the release team) will take on those propositions which are made."

He said the technology was not the primary concern when evaluating new applications for inclusion with the desktop suite. "Before considering technology, we consider the functionality and stability, responsiveness of the maintainer to concern, the quality of the documentation, the speed of the application (and of course, technology plays a role here).

"The GNOME project considers applications for inclusion in the desktop suite if they are written in C, C++, Python or Mono. For the moment, we have not had to make a decision on whether to include a Java application, as there has not been, to date, a compelling module addition proposal written in Java. It is likely that we will also add Javascript support to the platform in the near future."

Neary added that two applications, which are not currently part of the release set, had clearly been identified for inclusion in GNOME 3.0: GNOME Shell, written in C and Javascript, and GNOME Zeitgeist, which is written in Python.

Asked about a possible release date for the 3.0 version, Neary said: "The 3.0 release will be either in March 2010 or September 2010... Either we will be ready to release a stable, functional 3.0 release for 2.30, or we will defer until 2.32. The final decision will be made by the release team, after the 2.28 release in September (2009)."

GNOME was founded in 1997 by de Icaza and Federico Mena Quintero.


Article Link at http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25967/1231/
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Re: GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

Postby davescafe » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:13 am

I find the news that Gnome 3.0 may have more Mono apps very insulting. Migrating to Linux on the desktop took some effort, but I was willing to do the extra work because Linux provided liberty. Mono takes that liberty away, and makes a mockery of the efforts I have taken to be free. The GNOME project (in the article) said that it considers things like functionality, stability, maintainer responsiveness, documentation quality and application speed. None of these considerations involve software freedom in any way. If I was only concerned about functionality, I would have been better off sticking with Windows, where there is VASTLY more functionality available (much of it free-of-charge). Ironically, I think the whole reason the GNOME desktop is as important is it is today is because it had a free license compared to the (older) license of the KDE desktop (toolkit). Now, KDE has changed to a free license, and KDE developers are speaking out about the threat of Mono.

The reason I left Windows was to get away from the lock-in, the patent threats, the bullying, and the unethical behavior that suffuses Microsoft. Mono is a back door into the Linux desktop, and Mono brings with it all of the badness that I thought I left behind when I left Windows. I agree with and support Richard M. Stallman: “The danger is that Microsoft is probably planning to force all free C# implementations underground some day using software patents.” It is astonishing to me how many Linux advocates are blind to this. The world is well supplied with short-sighted fools and I suppose that for them, the ends (technologically) justify the means (subverting freedom).
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Re: GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

Postby Aysgarth » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:42 pm

I was a long time Gnome user, ever since there has been a Gnome. I never really warmed to KDE and although I like Xfce4 I find it a bit limiting.

Over the last few weeks I have read everything I can on Mono and written too many posts on these forums as I refined my knowledge and thinking.

On Monday I started my own personal protest. I reformatted the root partition of my main machine and my number two workhorse. They now both run Debian SID and KDE 4.2. All mono and most of Gnome removed (there was some in the install). I like gedit for writing Pyhton code and gftp for web work but I am sure they too can be gone soon. It was a lot of work and I still have my netbook and media box to do.

Do I think Microsoft's heavies are going to kick down my door? No

This is my message and personal protest to the Gnome team, to Debian, to Ubuntu and all of those who are pushing for Mono in default installs --- NO THANK YOU.

Why Debian? I trust that Debian's wide and anarchic developers and committees will eventually vote down mono by default and banish it to CONTRIB or even NON-FREE. I might be wrong, we shall see. I might even try Fedora, pity about rpm. OpenSuse? No chance, even aside from mono I find Yast a millstone around my neck.

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Re: GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

Postby horst_horstmann » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:54 pm

What a willful misinterpretation. The headline could also be exactly "GNOME 3.0 might not include more Mono modules" after reading that article.
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Re: GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

Postby dneary » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:23 am

Hi Sam,

Thanks for the article!

I spoke to Matthias Clasen, who told me that Mono and F-Spot are still installed by default in Fedora 12. And for the moment, as I said, there are no firm plans to include any other Mono applications in GNOME.

Thanks,
Dave.
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Re: GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

Postby Np237 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:27 am

davescafe wrote:I find the news that Gnome 3.0 may have more Mono apps very insulting. Migrating to Linux on the desktop took some effort, but I was willing to do the extra work because Linux provided liberty. Mono takes that liberty away, and makes a mockery of the efforts I have taken to be free.

You are the one being insulting here by telling other people what to do. You are the one who wants to deprive developers of their freedom to program in whatever language they like.
Happily you don’t have a say over this. You can complain as loudly as you want, it won’t change a thing.

Aysgarth wrote:This is my message and personal protest to the Gnome team, to Debian, to Ubuntu and all of those who are pushing for Mono in default installs --- NO THANK YOU.

You’re not forced to use what we package. And you are not going to change the way we package them with such dull arguments.

Aysgarth wrote:Why Debian? I trust that Debian's wide and anarchic developers and committees will eventually vote down mono by default and banish it to CONTRIB or even NON-FREE.

You seem to have absolutely no idea of what the contrib and non-free sections are for. I welcome you to at least read basic documentation of how Debian works before telling us what to do.
Mono is not moving to non-free since it is GPLed. And if by chance you manage to convince our FTP masters that it is dangerous for us or our users to distribute such software, it will not be moved to non-free. If it is dangerous, it will be removed from the archive, full stop.
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Re: GNOME 3.0 may have more Mono apps

Postby ubiquitous1980 » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:41 pm

Just disgusting that we once again find ourselves bound in another way to this corporation. Do I and others need to make this any clearer. This technology is unwanted and unneeded. THEY are not our friends in this community and until they GPL something worth GPLing and stop threatening with litigation, they will continue not to be our friends. As long as these guys act at the margin, they are not community players period. Therefore, keep mono (a patent bomb) as well as any closed-source inspired free software out please. We are doing well already, without this.
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