Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Re: Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Postby dargent » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:17 pm

Hi! The Democrat - keeping the B's honest,
I commend you on attempting to discuss the issues in an objective and factual manner.

Unfortunately your answer relies on the assumption that I have something to do with the question you responded to.
I'm afraid this is not the case at all.
I am not ryans_game and purely for your convenience neither is donnashuggy.
Also for your convenience only, neither of us have a clue who ryans_game is or his primary ebay ID or who he is off site.
I promise you this and you can choose to believe it or otherwise, this is conveyed purely to safe you wasted effort.

This being the case it would be foolish and unproductive for me to attempt to answer your questions.
The poster (ryans_game) may well be prepared and happy to do so on this site if you invite him/her.

I will certainly answer any questions relating to any statements I made however. :)
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Re: Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Postby Eden » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:36 pm

START QUOTE************
"if the vocal minority was so minor, why did eBay withdraw its application?"

Firstly that application was for the introduction of 'Paypal as the ONLY means of transacting on eBay.'
I am only referring to the continued campaign by a small number of vocal eBayers about the issue of
'every seller being required to offer Paypal as an option,' something which has been in place for some time now.

I believe that the number who are protesting this aspect is considerably less than the number who made submissions to the ACCC about 'Paypal only.'
I feel logic alone would support this belief as it is a far less significant aspect and thus unlikely to elicit the same emotional response from the same number of people.
END QUOTE****************

Are you aware that as of today, PAYMATE have posted on thier site a formal complaint they have submitted to the ACCC as of today?
It appears that PAYMATE are a part of that "rabid minority".

Finally im still confused over one thing..
Who wrote the original "helpful guide"?
Was it a "donnashuggy"? (Who was the ebay user that posted the "helpful guide")
Or was it a "dargent" who takes credit for it here?
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Re: Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Postby The Democrat-and finally the B's will have to explain themselves » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:43 pm

Well dargent, your vocal minority, just made it back into a much bigger pond with much bigger fish.....you were saying? And by the way, the manner in which you ducked my entire post was nothing short of a missed vocation in politics. Please read and edify yourself on the FACTS !!!

https://www.paymate.com/cms/images/PDF/ ... july08.pdf

I call upon everyone to get behind an AUSSIE home grown Paypal alternative, and support PayMate's highly relevant submission to ACCC on the deliberate targetting of Long standing Ebay members, under Stage 1.

Paymate (which Ebay initially promoted) submitted an excellent submission and Conference commentary on Both Stages of EBAYS CONDUCT. Also write to your banks because the same argument appllies to their ability to compete fairly.

No, dargent, we're all deluded, and we are obviously a vocal minority of little consequence, and whose opinion is emotive at best.... and of course, anticompetitive behaviour is the last thing on Ebay's mind...Dream on Bwuce.
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Re: Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Postby donnashuggy » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:01 pm

Hello everyone, just want you all to know I am up to speed on the posts here now, thanks!

I personally have not had a good experience with Paymate - it was eventually sorted, it was a huge security problem from where I stand.

However I do believe they do an excellent job at detecting fraudulent use of credit cards.

The topic at hand here is not about paymate as I understand it.

Thanks Alex:) where do I find the smilies?
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Re: Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Postby dargent » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:36 pm

by The Democrat-and finally the B's will have to explain themselves on Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:43 pm

Well dargent, your vocal minority, just made it back into a much bigger pond with much bigger fish.....you were saying? And by the way, the manner in which you ducked my entire post was nothing short of a missed vocation in politics. Please read and edify yourself on the FACTS !!!

"much bigger pond with much bigger fish" - relatively unchanged then. ;)

We all have different impressions of what constitutes a big fish.
I will grant you that Paymate is a bigger fish than any of the previous posters on this forum.
How much bigger is a subjective issue and hardly worth exploring because it is irrelevant.
Paymate's only interest in making their further submission to the ACCC is loss of revenue, to a competitor.
I find it cute that everything eBay/Paypal do is evidence of corporate evil, yet the same actions by their closest Australian competitor are seen as emanating from deeply held principles.
Or is it simply that this example of corporate evil is in line with the agenda of the rebels?

'Apart' from the obvious addition of 'one' more voice with a passionately vested interest, I fail to see how your comments above have refuted any comment I have made, perhaps you could further explain?
As for edifying myself with the facts you present.
These are little different to Paymate's ealier submission and the ACCC has already advised their complaint does not come under their umbrella of interest.
The ACCC has (by anecdotal evidence) indicated they will keep an eye on eBay to see if there is evidence of anticompetitiveness.
You are easily pleased if that satisfies you that there is reason for optimism.

Incidentally.
I cannot justly be accused of 'ducking' questions spurned by a subject I didnt raise.
I could more fairly accuse you of introducing extraneous issues in an attempt to entrap me. :)
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Re: Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Postby missphoebe » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:14 pm

"The topic at hand here is not about paymate as I understand it."

Since when do you have regard for an actual topic Donna?
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Re: Rebels strike back at eBay and PayPal through Australian ban

Postby hattychoo » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:34 pm

For those interested, here is the link to the ebay thread on "shoppers love paypal:
http://forums.ebay.com.au/thread.jspa?t ... 5777052581

You will need to trawl through some of the troll postings. I think Donna self reported most of her posts so it should not read too bad now.

I think Alex already linked to the ebay thread, which is the topic at hand! LETTER TO CBA - IS DIRECT DEPOSIT STILL SAFE- EBAY SAY IT'S NOT?
http://forums.ebay.com.au/thread.jspa?t ... 5778430331
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